"The man, the myth, the legend" - Mark Passio, outstanding interview! I have followed Mark Passio for many years. The Truth he speaks resounds. Moral intelligence is often not a metric even considered but the only one that overcomes the illusions of this world and those culpable. Natural Law is the only true law. "What is evil? The absolute subversion of free will." Our world is Satanic (illusion-based) and most cannot see it yet fall victim to it while their own hands are stained with culpability. Then those that lead the masses astray who believe that they can shift karmic debt onto we the people, prevail.
Mark Passio discusses the network and system of control of our world, this occult system. There is something above this Satanic Occultic system discussed in Marks interview and it is called Talmudism and/or what you know as Judaism. I am speaking of Jewish mysticism specifically, not the lower ranks of the hierarchy of Judaism and not the masses who do not even know or understand.
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Transcript
Okay, hello and welcome to the Sunday Afternoon Podcast with Greg Reese. I'm your host, Greg Reese. And today, I have a great special guest I've been wanting to get on the show for a long time. I've been wanting to talk to for a while, Mr. Mark Passio.
You can find his work at whatonearthishappening.com, a great website he's had since 2008. I've been following his work almost that long. I first remember catching his work many years ago, and it's been a long time, and I've been curious to catch up with him while the world is completely falling apart, as it seems.
Without further ado, Mark, it's really great to talk to you. How are you doing?
Greg, I'm doing well. Thank you so much for inviting me and looking forward to a great conversation.
Yes, sir. Yes, sir. How has life been out there in your neck of the woods lately with all this crazy, crazy, crazy election hype and everything?
Yeah, it's been pretty nuts, and I'm out of the city of Philadelphia right now, and I'm in the suburbs of southeastern Pennsylvania. So the environment is pretty decent out here. It's still the same challenges with reaching people's consciousness. uh, to get them to really understand what's going on. But, uh, you know, in general, um,
the city is the same as it ever was, if not worse, the, uh, outlying, you know, uh, suburban to rural, uh, region is, uh, it fares a little bit better. Uh, and people seem to have a little bit better grasp of what's taking place. So that's would be my assessment of it these days.
Yeah. Uh, it's, um, it's, uh, The Awakening is really what got me inspired into everything. I think that's the only hope there is, is to get enough people to sort of shift the herd. Because whoever controls the herd is going to win, it seems like, in this game.
And that's one of the reasons I've been wanting to talk to you is because your experience with what I would say are the ones on the management team of... whatever the hell is going, whatever on earth is going on right now. This is, this is obviously the main objective. This is their main power is the herd.
Without the herd, they have nothing.
All of their power comes from people acquiescing and following orders and accepting the worse and worse conditions that are foisted upon them and not saying no. And they're planning on that. All of their plans are contingent that that will continue and that people won't say no and won't stop following orders.
All of their power comes from order followers. They're the people that I say keep the system of slavery in place because they perform the behaviors that actually strip people of their rights and actually create the conditions for totalitarianism. We have to understand that this is a battle of consciousness and overall this is a battle of morality.
It really comes down to Right versus wrong. And the problem is, is that the bulk of human beings still really do not know the difference between right and wrong behavior. It's one of the cruxes of my work. One of the pillars, the foundational pillars of my work is really explaining objective morality to
people so that they can understand which behaviors are rights because they do not initiate harm to other sentient beings and which behaviors are wrongdoings because they do initiate harm. harm upon other sentient beings and deprive them of life rights or property and um
you know this is what the dark occultists of this world the the sorcerers the mind controllers whatever you want to refer to them as the globalists the social engineers they could be called a million different names but they're just people who understand how the human psyche works
I tell people to look at them like ancient psychologists who have had all the knowledge of human psychology for tens of thousands of years and are using it against people as a weapon. And they know as long as they can keep people confused about the difference between right and wrong,
they own their behavior and they can essentially manipulate them into doing anything. for, you know, enough fake, you know, Federal Reserve fiat currency notes. So this is all I've been trying to do is wake people up to conscience, the knowledge of the difference between right and wrong,
because once we have that knowledge in hand and we align ourselves with true right and we refuse to engage in evil and be complicit with evil, we're Their power is gone. That strips them of all their power because, as we've already said, their power comes from the people being complicit with their agenda and doing
something that is wrong for a paycheck.
Yes, and if it seems like they're playing by some type of rules – As if, and you see this written in the law, you see this written into the system in a sort of a hidden way, like if your actions show that you see yourself as an animal, as just a human animal rather than a soul, then...
You're sort of admitting to the system that you need to be governed, that you need to be managed. This is like one of my favorite sayings of yours is government is slavery, which I think is an absolute fact. And the only way to ever get rid of government is for humanity to spiritually
evolve to the point where we don't see ourselves as animals and we don't as animals.
That's exactly correct. As a matter of fact, seeing human beings as just another animal is one of the foundational ideologies of Satanism, which is their religion. You know, people that this is one of the hardest things I've ever had to do in my public
career as a teacher and broadcaster is to explain to people what real Satanism is. Again, these people have a code. They have a religion. They have a belief system. They have a set religion. of ideological tenets that they follow, and they adhere to them fervently, just as a religionist would, as a follower of any other religion would.
And one of these main principles of their belief system is that A human being is no different than any other beast of the field. It's no different than any other animal. And this is, of course, incorrect and untrue. And human beings are far different than the rest of the animal kingdom in how they
can perceive things and how they can reason and how they can think. And how they can even come together and cooperate. And we it should not be the goal of any human being to see themselves or to foster a worldview in themselves or others as human.
We're no different than the rest of the animal kingdom because we definitely are and we should be held to a higher moral standard than what any animal, any beast of the field, what their behavior would be held to or perceived as. Is somebody going to just act like, you know, a ravenous beast?
carnivorous animal that goes out and just tears into any other being that they want to just because they're hungry that day or that they want to, or they want to take whatever resources from that other animal that, that, that they may have. And some people will say, yeah, sure. We should live that way. And you know,
that's the problem is that they don't have an understanding of the moral standards that a human being should be held to and, Not to initiate harm to other beings because that is the foundation of all wrongdoing. It's the foundation of everything that is not a right is to go and steal what doesn't belong to you,
whether that is another being's life that doesn't belong to you, whether it's another being's property that doesn't belong to you, whether it's another being's well-being that doesn't belong to you to take from them. whether it is, you know, another being's rights that aren't yours to take. And that's the basis of all the wrongdoings is theft. Murder, assault,
rape, theft, trespass, coercion and deception are what I call the real seven deadly sins, not the false seven deadly sins of, you know, so-called, you know, morality within religion, especially Christian religion, but all religions. They have their own distorted definitions of morality when the actual objective definition of morality within nature is morality.
Don't take from others what doesn't belong to you to take. That is the foundational moral understanding, the foundational moral principle of true objective morality. Because if you realize all rights are based on property. Again, we have our life, we have our physical property, we have our rights, we have our free will.
These are the things that we should not take from other beings. And you can't delegate that someone is allowed to take those things from other beings through coercion, through violence. So you can't set up a structure that says, well, no individual can take these things from other people, their life, their rights, their property, etc. But
There's an institution now that we've set up that suddenly magically possesses these rights. Individuals don't have them, but the institution has these rights. And therefore we can, you know, people within these institutions can suddenly have rights that other people don't and then go out and do violent behaviors that the average person would be seen as
wrong for doing. But somehow it's right if if the institutional members do it, it's. Complete ridiculous nonsense. It's complete illogic. It's the total absence of reason and logic and understanding of what rights are. And, you know, this is all I try to do is explain morality to people because there's a law within
the fabric of the universe that was put there by the creator of the universe. I don't consider myself religious. I consider myself highly spiritual, and that means I understand that there's a creator, that there's an underlying creative intelligence that underlies everything and all of the laws within the natural world. If someone wants to call that God, fine.
I have no problem with that term, right? I have problem with the religious interpretation of the Creator and the religious interpretation of what the laws of morality are, because those things get into complete relativism. That's why they're different for all religions, right? They're relative, because one religion says this is right and this is wrong, and
And another religion says, no, you have those reversed, and that's right and that's wrong. It's all moral relative nonsense when it comes to religion. Religious traditions. That's why one religion can say you can't eat this kind of food and the other religion says that food's fine and you can eat it.
It's man's interpretation as opposed to objective reality in nature. That's what natural law is. Natural law is the set of objective, non-man-made laws. laws that exist within creation that govern the consequences for the behaviors that we choose as beings and there's an overarching law within creation that as a
population of beings becomes more moral objectively more moral not religiously moral but objectively moral that means they don't steal from others they don't take what doesn't belong to them They don't try to take other people's freedom. They don't try to take other people's rights through coercion, coercing someone's free will. They don't try to take people's life.
OK, they understand the boundaries of what belongs to them and what doesn't belong to them. And they they strictly respect those boundaries and adhere to those laws that govern that society. consequences. And when a group of beings adheres to natural law and aligns themselves with it, and therefore their behavior comes into alignment with objective morality,
As the aggregate of those beings, the bulk of a population of beings becomes more moral in that objective capacity, those beings become more free and develop more capacities to be able to do things and to create and to express themselves, etc. To have all of their natural rights intact and then to create as they will.
And they become a free population of beings that has... practically limitless potential. The inverse is also true. As a population of beings completely refuses to learn natural law and will not make their behavior adhere to the objective standards of morality contained within natural law, then that population of beings becomes more and more enslaved. They lose their rights,
they lose their freedom, their potential goes from what could possibly be infinite to being negligible, practically no potential as a species. And that's where we're entering. That's the time period we're entering now. We're entering the period where we're completely degenerating as a species. We're losing all of our rights and freedoms. We're losing our potential as beings.
And we're going into abject slavery as a species. And that is what we... We wrought upon ourselves by the very belief that any being or group of beings could ever possibly be an authority over any others. This is the ultimate sin. The ultimate sin against creation is saying, we're God.
We're not bound to the laws of the creator. We are God and we get to make up the laws. We get to make up everything that is right and everything that is wrong. And we're going to be the arbiters of those dynamics.
We're not going to learn those dynamics within the natural realm as set by the laws of the creator. No, no, no. We are going to dictate those parameters. And that's what being God is all about. And that's ultimately what Satanism is. See,
the hardest thing I've ever had to do in my broadcasting career or in my career as a teacher of true morality is explain to people that most people adhere to the satanic religion of And they don't even know that they do. Yeah. They have no clue.
One of my favorite videos you did was a de facto Satanism. Yes. Um, one of my, I think that's where it really got my attention of recent years, uh, from your work, uh, because I couldn't agree more. And that's one of the, you know, a lot of people are saying similar things in their own way.
I think, I think semantics kind of, uh, confute, you know, keep us all a little bit confused. But the way you're saying things is the way that I most understand all this stuff. And I think it's just... And it makes sense that this is the way that the dark occultists...
understand it when you describe them as psychologists people that understand human psychology that makes a great deal of sense to me because um we're clearly being um there's got to be books i would imagine written on hurting the human race and or you know at least oral traditions passed down through families and absolutely all this
I wanted to backtrack a little bit on that subject because I do think that the best work you've done I want to end on, which is the natural law and de facto Satanism and just these basic practical laws that I think exist in this physical realm that these dark occultists are aware of
and they're using against us and keeping us ignorant. But to give people some background, one of the things I find very interesting about your story is how you're kind of a satanic whistleblower. I don't know if that's fair to say. Yes. that is exactly how I would describe it. And so tell us please about your experience, like,
uh, when you, where you, how you joined, what you joined,
when you joined and all that. Sure. I want to preface my experience with saying that one of the things I find, especially in a religious audience, people who generally tend to adhere to preexisting, uh, World religious beliefs, you know, what I call the cultural religions like Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Hinduism, Buddhism, etc., on and on.
which are not the only religions. There are belief systems that are religions, like the belief in authority, the belief in the moral legitimacy of government, worshipping money, worshipping science. These are all religions in and of themselves. So the cultural religions are not the only religions. But I find that when people have a deep-seated cultural religious belief,
It almost always carries with it a secondary set of beliefs that a person can never change. I find this to be true, not for all religious believers, but I would say for probably the vast overwhelming majority, probably well over 95 to 97 or 8 percent, believe that
Once a person behaves a certain way and thinks a certain way, that's their nature and they are incapable of changing. And therefore, most people will hear my background story and then tune out immediately and refuse to listen to anything else that I have ever said. And there cannot be any higher aspect of change. Ignorance and stupidity.
I agree. I wouldn't trust anyone who claims to have some type of clean background. Right.
I mean, who has not erred? Who has not gone down the wrong path? What's someone's path in life perfect from inception to death? That we're here to learn, grow, and improve upon ourselves, right? And in the past, I was not given good information, right?
And this comes down to really what the nature of a human being is and what we're capable of doing. I was given horrendous information by my parents, by my relatives, my family members, my friends, my teachers, my pastors, etc. I was given what I would call junk for information. Absolute nonsense junk. And when you...
Program the mind of a human being with absolute nonsense, nonsensical, non-logical junk on the other side of that equation in the form of behavior and in the form of worldview and in the form of that person's thoughts and actions. Do you expect it to be orderly?
Do you expect it to align with the laws of nature and morality? Or would you expect it to also be junk? Well, any reasonably thinking human being would also expect if there's junk programming going into the mind of a being, junk behavior and beliefs are going to come out on the other side. I mean, that's only reasonable.
Yeah. So that's part of the game, the trap.
That's part of the trap, too. Correct. Absolutely. This is what they want. They want scenarios like this. They're literally programming it such that it's very difficult to escape a scenario where you're either a religious believer, a fervent religious believer in a cultural religion that's all morally relative. that has its own interpretation and definitions of what morality is.
They're not really looking for the objective nature of what morality is. They just want to believe something that someone else told them regarding morality. And again, my information that I've been putting forward through What on Earth is Happening requires zero belief. This is a science. It is not a belief system or a religion. It's actually a,
an understanding of rules and laws that exist within the natural realm that the creator placed there for our optimum benefit. So going back to my background story, um, I was given what I would consider to be radically wrong, junk belief systems in my past as a child.
And it was, it satisfied no criteria of reason, logic, morality, et cetera. It was just believe this because that's what we've been told to believe. We've just believed it because we were told, and you should just believe it because you were told. And that was completely altogether insufficient for me as a,
What I would consider to be a fairly to highly intelligent child in my formative years. And this all exploded in my teenage years when I really began questioning. The way the generations before me had thought and the types of belief system that they try to instill in you just because they're lazy, they don't want to think,
they don't want to really reason, and they don't want to reason things out to their logical conclusions and come to an accurate understanding. They're just lazy. basically lazy people who want to just accept a worldview from someone else because trying to reason those things out takes a lot of, an enormous amount of effort. It's enormous mental work.
It's enormous inner work in, in, in the, in the beings, spiritual, um, you know, uh, makeup. And most people just don't want to do it. They don't want to do the natural process to really, uh, figure out what the laws of nature have have set forward for us and then align
their behavior to it which that can even be even more difficult for people who are
highly programmed yeah so i would even add i would even really quick quickly too it's all a fraud too because it's like um that you're putting your faith in man when you're putting your when you're putting your faith in like you said the beliefs that you were taught because that's the way that we were taught or you're
putting it in a book or you're putting in whatever This is you putting your faith in man. That's correct. You have no connection whatsoever to God, or you're not even trying. You're just lazily claiming that you are while putting your faith in some man-made thing. Right. Absolutely.
So I deeply rebelled against religious programming that I was given in my teenage years. And I said basically internally to myself, I'll show them. I'm going to go and seek out the exact opposite of what they have been training me to believe that has been a complete letdown all these years because it's answered
no questions about why things are the way they are. It's answered no questions about, you know, how I have become and how I think and reason. And I said, I'm going to go out and find the exact opposite. So I started delving into works of dark occultism, specifically satanic ideology.
And again, Satanism is not what people believe it to be. based on what their pastor told them, based on what their parents told them, based on what their teachers told them. It just isn't. And if you believe that Satanism is the worship of a red-horned, hooved deity, you have zero understanding of what
Satanism really is as an ideology in the world. Absolute zero. And people can fight that contention to the death and it doesn't matter because there's a factual answer on what real world satanic ideology that actually is a formal, organized structure in the world and heavily involved in all of the world's institutional bodies like government, finance, politics, law,
law enforcement, military, etc., versus ridiculous religious belief systems that are based on one cultural religion or another that are self-styled quote-unquote Satanists, that then pattern their belief system after a cultural religion's idea of this dark, evil entity that they call Satan, or whatever else they may call it. The Demiurge, you know, the Dajjal, etc., whatever, okay?
The point here is that real-world ideological Satanism is not the worship of the Christianized devil deity in the Christian religion. You can set that whole belief system aside, and yes, there are people who do believe in that, but that is not what I am referring to as the worldwide system of control and worldview manipulation called Satanism.
Satanism is an ancient belief system that is based upon foundational tenets. These are basic ideologies, and they are as follows. This is what real Satanism, that is what the whole worldwide network of control, of controlling human beings is. And instituting worldwide slavery. This is what the ideology known as Satanism actually is based upon. Here are the tenets.
Pure egotism. That's number one. Tenet number one is that the ego is God. The self is God. Okay? So, what they are seeking to do is... gain more and more and more and more control over others. And that places them in the position of being the authority of the entire realm, this planet, okay?
And that places them in a position of godhood because in the true universe, not their distorted, sick, psychopathic worldview running as a program in their own mind, right? But in the actual world of nature, right? God is the authority over all of creation and sets all of the laws of creation.
It doesn't mean that he controls everyone's free will. It means that there is a way that all of the functions of reality work based upon law and nothing happens that is outside of law. true natural law within the fabric of reality, of nature, of the universe.
And God, the creator, set those boundary conditions, which are the only laws that exist. No other law exists. That's the only law that exists in reality and nature. They are non-man-made because they are made by the Creator. The Creator is not a man or a woman. It is not humanity altogether.
It is not anything within the creation, one thing. It is the totality. It is the all. It is the ultimate source, the ultimate construct of mind from which everything else flows. It is the basis of everything. And That that is what they are trying to become.
They are trying to become that on a small scale here on Earth where they are the authority. They set all the law. Everyone else must obey or they can destroy them.
So does that mean like, for example, like it's clear that they use the ego to get it to, that's the, that's the main bait that they use and all these traps that they try to get us in is by using our own ego, getting us to identify, um, With the animal, because that's what the ego is.
The ego is a part of the human animal.
It's the unrestrained animalistic aspects of our being. That's right.
So do they and these sound like smart people like, you know, when you refer to them as psychologists, that makes sense. They're using psychology against us. Do they see themselves at all as being something higher than an animal? Are they aspiring? Because it sounds like what you're saying is their main aspiration is just simply
to be like the owners of the herd, the controllers of the herd.
Correct. So it's complicated. It's not a yes or no answer to that question because there are levels within the dark occult, and some people are what you would call rank and file, and some people are higher up in the chain of obedience, the hierarchy. And some of those really high-level, quote, Satanists,
I would say transcend the boundary of traditional Satanic ideology, which I'm still getting into the tenets of. And while they incorporate those for the lower ranks, the higher-level dark occultists I would refer to as dark Luciferians, right? Because they know that there's a spiritual reality to the universe.
They know that the laws of nature are set by the creator. And they even know what those laws are. But they have thoroughly and resoundingly rejected them. Because they want their ego elevated to apotheosis or godhood. The elevation of the ego to godhood. The apotheosis of the ego. So that's their ultimate driving force. Is that...
The Creator put us into this realm, allowed us to exist in this realm, however you want to look at it, and it set laws which limit us from becoming a God like Him.
And they have something called apotheos, which is like a hack to hack that or something?
Well, apotheosis is just the worldview of we're going to elevate our status of our ego to godhood. That's all it really means. It means making something god, right? So they want to elevate themselves to godhood, and they see the ego as this is what our god is. It's our ability to think, our ability to manipulate things.
it's our ability to deceive okay and so they are trying to get other people to do their dirty work for them they don't they know there's a spiritual reality and that natural law is essentially karma it's how karma works over extended periods of time for whole species of beings see
People think there's this thing called, like, instant karma, right? We're sort of jumping ahead to the worldview of the highest level Satanists, what I call dark Luciferianism, because, you know, again, it's answering your question, do they all think a certain way? Some of them just think we're just another animal,
and some of them know there's a higher-level spiritual reality, and we're going to use the rank-and-file Satanists that are at the tier below us to do our bidding, to carry out our agenda, and to get our – Our agenda in place to become God, but they believe one thing and the rank and file believes another.
And if you want to understand their worldview, you have to realize they're rebelling against God for putting the laws of. behavior of behavioral consequence in place. That's the only thing that makes sense.
The only thing that makes sense to me is that they just don't like the idea of not being allowed to pray off of other people. That's it.
There you have it. They want to act with animal instinct, unrestrained from consequence.
So they're just psychotic predators.
That's it. Parasites. That's it. They are in intraspecies predators. Intra species predators is what you have to view the satanic ruling class as. OK, and they're rebelling against God and all of creation because they know that natural law or karma exists and they don't want to. reap the negative karmic consequence of doing harmful things and then actually
having that come back upon them. Okay. They want the people of the world to have all that karmic debt. And in, in accruing it, they, they, these people see themselves as they're going to be elevated to God hood. They're going to be the rulers in a prison, right?
Even though the whole species is going to basically be imprisoned and enslaved, they see themselves as they'll rule in the prison. They'll rule in hell rather than serve God in heaven with the natural laws being respected. They don't want that. They see the natural laws as an imprisoning dynamic instead of, as I've already described, the natural law.
It is actually there for our optimum benefit as a species.
Yeah, yeah. I mean, that seems very simple minded because it's like I got I'm not bragging, but I have no issues with this. Like I have no desire whatsoever to mess with anyone else. In fact, I have no I could I could be a hermit in a cave for my whole life and be perfectly content.
Just, you know, live and let live is something I find it to be a beautiful thing. And it just seems so simple minded of them. And yet they're they're not stupid. They're not idiots. Yeah. at least they're not you know but now it sounds it shows you how soul sick they are
they're they're completely devastated at the soul level they're they're a a just a husk is the only real way you can really describe it they're a shell they're a husk of what a a true being is supposed to be And they they can't really create. They can only manipulate what what already exists. They don't really create anything.
You know, they have no creative potential or creative aspects of their personality. They have no spirituality. They have no soul, in essence. And all they can do is prey upon others and manipulate people into doing their bidding. Like it's really a sad existence. Yeah.
Oh, yeah. No, it's it's extremely it's ugly and it's sad. Um, so I want to hear like you met some of these people and you weren't in that long, obviously, because I remember you were talking about this almost 15 years ago.
Yeah, it was, you know, it amounted for to a total of about maybe, you know, several years, but, uh, luckily I didn't stay with them too long because, you know, I still had developed within me to at least a certain extent that, And when I got involved with it, it was on an ideological basis, right?
So my first exposure to Satanism, again, and I didn't complete the tenets, but the tenets are pure egotism. So ego being elevated to godhood and wanting to become god instead of obey the laws of nature as set forward by the creator and you'll have unlimited potential and prosperity and freedom. And the second tenet is moral relativism.
So as I said. They don't care about what really is truly right and wrong. And to be quite honest, if you look at these tenets, this is describing most people. Most people believe in things like this and don't want to self-improve. They want to stay in this animalistic consciousness. So how many people...
They're thinking how many people in the world percentage wise would someone say they're thinking goes something like this. I really only care about me. I really don't truly care about anybody else. Certainly not strangers around me. I don't really care about all humans rights.
I only care about me and my immediate situation and my immediate prosperity in the moment. That's most human beings on this planet. They have not, they look to nothing further than their own self and feeding themselves every day, making money every day, you know, having food and shelter, maybe, maybe caring about their, their fam, their immediate family.
And I say maybe regarding that, because most parents don't even do that. And, you know,
to that really quickly, too, I think I think all those people are also going to be fantasizing about what great selfless people they are at the same time.
It's all complete fabrication within their own egotistical mind because they don't even understand the difference between right and wrong. We've done man on the street surveys where we're. explaining to people what real morality is and ask them what they think. And they, they are 100% completely immoral in their beliefs. Just believing in authority, total authoritarians,
believers that violence can be done to peaceful people, believers that certain people have rights that other people don't have. It's atrocious, absolutely atrocious. What the average person believes in their own mind and heart is, And then simultaneously in the next breath, we'll say I'm a good person when they're absolute immoral trash, 90 something percent of them.
And so this is the second tenet. The second tenet is moral relativism. I can make up whatever I want to be right and wrong. I'm the arbiter of right and wrong. I don't I don't need to discover right and wrong through a very lengthy process of truth discovery. No, no.
I don't want to do any of that work. We'll just make up what right and wrong is for ourselves, or we'll let government make it up and then we'll just believe whatever they say, or we'll make some religion, make it up and I'll believe whatever they say. And they could be completely contradictory in their beliefs.
This is what cognitive dissonance is. You hold two completely different ideas and believe that they're true simultaneously. You know, it's like looking at one thing that's, that's black and one thing that's white and saying they're the same thing, you know, and, You know, it's just utterly ridiculous the way people's minds have been manipulated into false belief systems.
You know, so the third tenet then, you take the out-of-control ego, which most people are like, you take... Moral relativism. There's no objective standard of right and wrong. And we could just make it up as we go along. Most people believe that's perfectly fine. Most people do that themselves. This is what's right for me.
That's true for me. That's right for me. You know, well, I got news for you. There's no such thing as what's true for you. There's only what's true. There's no such thing as what's right for you. There's only what's right. The end. People have a hard time with that because they want everything to be relative to themselves.
That's what rampant egotism is. That's what Satanism is. That's what moral relativism is. The third tenet, you extrapolate that into the whole social sphere for human beings, the whole social domain, and you have... Social Darwinism. Social Darwinism is, well, since there's no such thing as what's really true and people can just compete like
animals to see who rules the roost, there's no such thing as what's right, then the most ruthless of the species can just rule it. We should have a pecking order like animals. The biggest, most vicious animals rule their social strata. I don't think anybody would really disagree with that. Right.
The ones who are willing to do the most violence to other animals are the ones who come out on top of the pecking order. Right. And that's what's really happening with human beings. And people are OK with it because they're social Darwinists in their belief system. And that's part of Satanism. So that's the third tenet.
And then the fourth tenet, just extrapolate out to its final conclusion, or we probably should say its final solution, and it's eugenics. That vicious subset of human beings that are now ruling the social strata, as social Darwinism postulates it should, they can decide who lives and who dies. That's called eugenics.
So these are the foundational principles, you know? Imagine, and most people think that that's perfectly fine. Most people who consider themselves Christian believe in these tenets. Their ego is out of control. They believe morality is relative. They think that social Darwinism is perfectly fine. Hey, that's what politics is, right? Politics is just social Darwinism.
You make your way up to the top of the political class, you rule over everybody else. What's wrong with that? That's normal, right? We've normalized this belief system, right? And then finally, eugenics. That's where it all leads to is, well, since they're the rulers of society,
they get to decide who is allowed to propagate their genes and who's not. Who can continue to live because they agree with us and who's got to go because they don't. And none of this is based on true right and wrong. None of it. It's all just out of control, egotistical thinking.
And this is where the vast majority of people in the world are at in their mindset, in their worldview. So I got involved heavily with this ideology when I was in my teen years. And when I finally was adult age, I started getting involved with some organizations that propagated Satanism.
okay and I wrote for early magazines called fanzines not early but real simple rudimentary magazines that were associated with you know underground type things and underground music and underground art and back in the 90s they called these things fanzines they were really like little pamphlets that they would be left in
music stores or art shops or whatever and And people would pick them up and they would read all kinds of different things that you wouldn't ordinarily find in regular magazines. So I used to write for a lot of fanzines and I used to espouse the satanic ideology. I would propagate this worldview that I just explained.
and tell people why I thought this was good for humanity and we're leading lives of restriction and we're leading lives of, you know, um, you know, self-righteousness, uh, you know, attached to religious belief systems. But if we went in the direction of Satanism, the world would be a better place. That was my thinking at the time.
And that's because I fell for the dialectic, right? If you're not a religionist, then, well, maybe you could go into Satanism or atheism, These are all dialectics that are set up to trap people in falsehoods. One falsehood plays against another falsehood, and it's all there to get you to swing back and forth between falsehoods instead of
actually go into the pursuit of real truth, which is natural law. So I stayed involved in different groups. The Church of Satan was one by Anton LaVey. And again, LaVey is not the highest level Satanist. He was the high priest of the organization known as the Church of Satan,
which is very low in the hierarchy on the whole worldwide stage of Satanic ideology. You know, it goes into high-level political and financial think tanks. It goes into international think tanks. It goes into the banking system. It goes into organized religion. You know, that's what's really running organized religion.
Do you think it's fair to say, like, the choice of the word Satan, Satanism, the Church of Satan is... is in some ways a psychological play against... Correct. Yeah, religious people.
That's right. There are two reasons, and I cover this in the presentation that I did called Demystifying the Occult, Part 2, Satanism and the Dark Occult. I have two Demystifying the Occult presentations. The first one explains the wider parameters of occultism and goes into explaining some positive occult traditions.
And then the Part 2 of the series, I went into explaining dark occultism and Satanism. And I explained in that presentation why they choose the term Satanism. And it's for two things. First of all, they are throwing people off the trail of what real Satanism is by calling it something that is associated with the Christian devil.
The ideology of the worship of the Christian devil. They want people to believe that that's what Satanism is instead of the ideology that I just outlined for you. And that's because they want people to be inculcated into that ideology, but at a lower level than they are.
So if you make people egotistical but they are not looking at it as a religious thing, as a religious ideology to run the world, they're easier to control. If you make people morally relativistic and they don't have a true foundational understanding –
As to what real right and wrong truly are, those people are easier to manipulate and control. If you have people that believe in social Darwinism, but again, they don't understand the framework from a perspective of the higher level Satanists, then you got people that are perfectly willing to accept, well, that's the ruling class and we're the underlings.
And if you have people willing to accept eugenics or think that that's somehow a good idea, then those are the people who will race headlong into taking a poisonous jab that could kill them a couple years down the line. And it's not even really a problem because, oh,
some people just got to go because there's overcrowding and overpopulation. And this is how most idiots think in the world. You know, so when you were when you were in there,
did you was in these organizations with I imagine there would have been like classrooms to teach some of the stuff. And then did you notice any type of how would you put it like like. People looking to recruit people to like, you know, for positions of power or, you know, even on a small level. Good questions.
No classrooms, no teaching. If you had to come with a basic understanding and they would vet you, you were vetted heavily. There was psychological vetting done constantly. OK, so one of the first things of psychological vetting is the application to join an organization such as the Church of Satan.
And again, people who think LeVay is high up in this hierarchy, you don't understand the hierarchy. It's clearly people who have no dealings with real Satanism and the dark occult. It's people talking out the rear end. So LeVay was a nothing boy in the wider worldwide hierarchy. They appointed him to write the book,
to explain the ideology to the masses, to see who would just take it and really run with it. And I was one of those people, which is why LaVey contacted me. He found my writings and music. I also was in a satanic death metal band at the time in the 90s. We were called In Satanity Music. OK,
like insanity with the word Satan embedded in the middle of the word in satanity was the band that I created back in the early 90s to espouse the satanic ideology for the underground music community. And. LaVey actually was presented some of my writings from fanzines in the underground music circuit and my music that was put out.
We were eventually my band was signed to a major death metal label in Greece called Unisound. And we, you know, we're great. A signed band with very little tour support at that time, so we just sort of did gigs on the east coast of the United States and never really traveled much outside of that purview.
So LaVey himself... found my writings and music and decided to appoint me to priesthood. I didn't seek out Anton LaVey. Anton LaVey wrote to me. It was the first I ever heard. First communication I ever had with Anton LaVey. He wrote to me and inside the envelope, he presented me a formalized priesthood,
which empowered me to act in a, an officially chartered religious capacity and, as clergy legal legally officially chartered religion and i was made clergy which means i could marry i could perform funerals um i could perform baptisms into that religious you know belief system etc i could do all the things that a regular
clergy person could do for their religion So I was appointed to priesthood. People always mishear this. And I hear people say, Mark Passio claimed to be a high priest of the church of Satan. I've never said the word high before. Regarding any of my background in Satanism,
the only people who have heard that word must be high themselves. So the answer is I was only a rank and file priest within the religion. That is step number two out of I'd have to count them, but I believe it's five. The first rank in the church of Satan is known as member, nothing else.
You are a rank and file member. You have no duties. You have no, um, um, you are not given any privileges to conduct anything. You're, you're not even allowed to act as a spokesperson for them at that level. You, you can't do officially sanctioned interviews, right? So at the second level priest, um,
You are allowed to act as a spokesperson. They consider you vetted enough that you can communicate to other media what the ideology is.
You're kind of already doing that, like with your writing. So they saw that you are.
That's correct. Yeah. I was given that to them for free already for years. Right. So they appointed me to priest. That's rank two. Rank three is magister or magistra, depending on gender, right? So that is a mid-level priest or priestess that is allowed to give instructions or sort of dictates to the rank and file priesthood.
So you can look at them as cardinals. They are directorates of the other clergy. It's all about control. It's a hierarchical system, yes. And they're trying to control the masses. They see this as we control the masses. We're the slave owners. We're the people who are going to direct – we're hands of the plantation.
We're not the slaves, but we're the hands of the plantation.
Do you think that anyone in there believes that there's something higher up on the food chain than humans?
Yes, absolutely. Not all of them. Some of them are pure atheistic Satanists. Some of them are theistic Satanists. So again, that depends on the individual. There's no one answer for that.
So what did you decide to get out? Because obviously you got out probably around this time, I would imagine, because you went on and started your work, but...
Well, I'll tell you what really led to that. I'll just briefly wrap up the other ranks above. Above Magister Magistra is Council of Nine, which is a ruling body that sets basically the parameters and I guess bylaws of the organization. And really no big moves are made without their consent.
And then above that is High Priest, which of which there is only ever one. Really?
There's only ever one high priest?
One high priest. That's the Fuhrer of the organization. And when I was involved, it was Anton LaVey. He died one year after appointing me to priest. Never went any higher than priest. I never became magister. I never became council member. I never became high priest, obviously. I was just priest.
Like I just saw recently, I saw the, I don't know, it was like a TV documentary on Nixxiom and all that stuff. And they had all these levels of, it was all like a pecking order of control. Same basic thing. So anyone, same as how they want to run the world.
And it's all about just using people as if they're livestock. You got it. Yep.
Find out what they can, what they can be used for. Keep them in that role. Utilize them like a tool. That's, that's what it is. It's like any other hierarchy. Yeah. So what got me out was – well, first of all, LaVey offered me a grotto, which is what they call their covens. So he –
Invited me to start a coven in the Philadelphia area because it was told to me that they didn't have a lot of grottoes in my immediate area. So he saw this as an opportunity to really get more people involved in the satanic ideology in the city of Philadelphia.
So that was his wish for what role I would play. And I refused the offer. I said, I will accept the priesthood and thanked him proliferously for that. But I said, I don't want the responsibility of running a grotto. I didn't feel like I was up to that challenge at the time.
I felt like maybe a higher level individual would do that. And I might might assist, but I didn't want to be a grotto leader. OK, so I respectfully declined that offer. OK, what that would have enabled me to do is sort of direct other Satanists in the area and kind of guide them ideal ideologically and set rituals.
And, you know, that's how they they bring new people in and vet them and groom them at usually at the rituals.
Yes. Sounds like I mean. It sounds like you don't even need to have many skills. You just have to be willing to be brutal and you can rise the ranks.
That's what they want to vet. Psychologically, above all else, is that you are a social Darwinist and eugenicist through and through. So my answers on my application must have really impressed them. And, you know, I've I've showed the application on my podcast. I've gone through the questions. It's such an extensive psychological profiling that, I mean,
they might as well, you know, ask you what came out of your excrement this morning. You know, it's it's it's that detailed. OK, they're going to delve into every element of your psychological makeup and framework. Before they let you in. OK, so they must have been impressed with what they read. And these aren't multiple choice questions.
These are essays. You've got to send them back, basically, and a collection of essays of your writing before they'll, you know, even really accept you into the organization, let alone appoint you to priesthood. So they'll accept you just if you pay the membership fee basically as rank and file member, like ideological supporting member.
That's not the big deal. But into the priesthood, they're going to really psychologically vet you before they even make you priest, let alone move you up. So when I told him I didn't want to be involved in forming my own grotto, he said, okay, there are some in your outlying area. In your tri-state area.
So he gave me some names and addresses and numbers, contacted people, became involved in their grottos. So this was in the Pennsylvania, Delaware, and Maryland area. There may have been one or two in the state of New Jersey, but not much. I really didn't, you know, and still kind of don't really like going into New Jersey.
It was mostly the tri-state area around southeastern Pennsylvania with PA, Delaware, and northern Maryland, northeastern Maryland. Okay? And... When I attended these grottos that held rituals on certain days of the year, usually they're Sabbath days, of which the big ones in Satanism are the midpoints of each season.
So it's the midpoint of winter, that's candle mass, the midpoint of summer, Spring, that's Walpurgisnacht, or May Day. The midpoint of summer, which is Lammas Day, August 1st. And the midpoint of fall, which is Hallowmas, Halloween, Samhain, called different things in different cultures, obviously October 31st. Those are the major Sabbaths.
And on those days, they would conduct rituals for different purposes. There's some general ritual types that they perform within Satanism in general. Certainly within the Church of Satan, they define these ritual types. There are destruction rituals, compassion rituals, and sex rituals. I really mostly only attended what you would call compassion rituals.
And that is rituals to try to converge energy onto the achievement of a goal. They believe that energy and desire for something to happen can be gathered and focused collectively is one of their beliefs. That means the more people focusing on the goal, the easier it is to achieve it. Okay. Just like let's say achieving freedom.
If more people were focused on that goal, I believe it would be easier to achieve. Yeah. I would, yeah, I would agree with that. Mental focus.
Yeah. Yeah.
Assists effort in the world.
Yeah.
Right. And we're not doing that. We're scattered. We're all over the place. It's like herding cats, the freedom, so-called freedom movement. They're very ideologically aligned and on the same accord. They act as if it's one person acting and,
We act as if we're all fighting each other and we don't want to have anything to do with each other. If one person very minusculely disagrees with our worldview, you know, that's how we're trained to be. They act all together. They do their behaviors together. They're very tight knit.
And when I recognized that they were tight knit for an overarching purpose, which was to increase their awareness, collective control over other people through infiltrating all the institutional bodies of humanity. As I said, they had point power positions, point men and women in politics, banking, law, law enforcement, military, entertainment, education, media,
You name it, you name the finance, you name the worldly human institution. And they had people operating within those institutions at some of the highest levels. And the whole purpose of what they were doing together was increase their aggregate strength and control and put everybody else under their thumb,
put everybody else in a condition of subservience to them. And they've, they haven't, They're not doing it in the present tense. They have achieved it past tense. It has occurred. They have have succeeded and they control all those institutional bodies, every last one of them, including religion. The religious institutions are controlled by these people.
Well, here's a good question I have is because they have to hide. They seem like they know they have to hide. They seem it seems like I mean, the good news is, even though, you know, we're not we're acting like stupid people. pray. The majority of the people seem to be decent people and they don't, and they,
and they basically maybe kind of fundamentally understand natural law. Maybe, maybe not. Maybe it's just that they're timid or whatever. But the question I have is, is, and I don't know if there's an answer for this, but Christians would say that it started 2000 years ago with Christ. That's when natural, that's when this natural law started.
That's when the old law ended of of blood sacrifice, whatever the hell that was, the brutal, uh, you know, feeding off of others, I guess you could put into that category. And so when did that end in natural or did that, is that, you know, what's your take on that?
Natural law has existed since the universe has existed and will exist for as long as the universe exists. It's a universal law embedded in the fabric of reality. It's not a, it's not a, um, you know, sort of like a, um, a belief system that prevails within all of humanity,
that you could call that the adherence to natural law, right? But I wish I could agree that most people are decent moral people, but I have to say that I don't agree with that.
Yeah, no, I'm with you on that, actually.
Because they're operating according to a different definition of what morality really is. Here's the only question you need to ask to answer that question correctly. How many people percentage-wise on this planet would refuse an unimaginably enormous sum of money or a promised position of worldly power and refuse to do an immoral behavior.
Meaning, how many people would do an immoral behavior if you offered them a certain sum of money?
It doesn't even have to be that big because during COVID, nurses were murdering their patients for like $1,000 bonuses. At most, it was probably a few hundred bucks.
We proved unequivocally. Yeah. People are de facto Satanists. They're not moral human beings. They're willing to do totally unimaginably immoral things to their fellow human being for even small chump change. And what we totally proved is the behavioral experiments, the obedience, the Milgram experiments were reproven yet again. That we have not moved any,
we haven't even moved an iota in morality for thousands and thousands and thousands of years. And that's what I'm trying to do something to put a dent in, to try to change and move that forward. Now, let me just complete the exit story because I know there are going to be a million people.
You're not allowed to leave. Once again, no experience in the world of occultism at all, let alone the dark occult. These people already have control of everything. All they are looking for is the tightening of that control. And there's two factions. One that wants their control of it to remain unseen and hidden,
which is what the word occult means to begin with. Hidden, right? Not easy to see. Difficult to see is all occult means. Hidden and difficult to see. Difficult to discover. And there's another faction that wants to come right out into the light of day and say, we rule you all. You're our slaves. Step out of line.
You'll get murdered. They want to operate openly like a mafia that has come into its kingship.
Yeah, that seems to be the main goal, I would imagine. They're sick of hiding who they are, and they want to be accepted for being the savages that they are.
That's what the whole process of normalization of all these sick, psychopathic things going on all around us is about. But they don't care if you want to help them or don't want to help them. If you're really on board with them, they'll start grooming you up the ranks.
If you're wishy-washy or if you express doubt and you're not fully on board, they'll tell you, there's the door, boy. Don't let it hit you on the ass on the way out. And that's exactly what they said to me. I don't have deep knowledge of where the bodies are buried, so to speak.
I didn't go so far into their ranks that I know their day to day operations, names and figures. And, you know, I can release all this info to the press. I was involved at a low level. I was never involved at a very high level. The people who say that they can hear my story.
And I'm telling you, I'm Cub Scout level. I got my foot in the door. I say I finally saw, whoa, this is what it is. I'm out. That's what happened. That was my story.
Because you have a conscience. And that's really the other thing that I learned through COVID is that I used to assume that everyone did have one. And now living through COVID, I don't know if that's true. Absolutely. Is there a belief on this in the occult?
No, there's not really a belief. There is knowledge regarding it because that's what conscience is. People think that conscience is something that is inborn. It is not. The word conscience actually tells you what it means if you know the Latin origins of the word. The Latin prefix con means together or with. OK, so all together. Right.
And then the Latin verb skio skiere. So skio is first person person. and present tense, and sciere is the infinitive, meaning to do something or to act in this way, right? So sciere, the infinitive form of the verb scio, it means to know, and it's where the English word science comes from. S-C-I-E-R-E, sciere, is the infinitive form.
The word science comes from to know, right? It means knowledge. So if we put that together with con, con science is what the word conscience is, all together, knowledge. common knowledge, common sense. That's what conscience is. It's that which should be common knowledge and common sense. But unfortunately, it is not.
We have fallen so far from what we should be at, our moral knowledge and moral accountability. Humanity does not have in hand the the knowledge of the difference between right and wrong behavior. That's what conscience is. So I agree with you. Human beings don't have conscience,
but not in the sense that they're not like born with something that other people are. All conscience is knowledge of what the, the, the, actual definitive difference in nature between right behavior and wrong behavior actually is. And then we exercise conscience. It's like knowing martial arts versus exercising martial arts or practicing it. You have to
You have to exercise or practice conscience. And that means once you have the knowledge, just like in martial arts, once you have the knowledge of what to do, then you can practice or deploy it. Well, exercising conscience means you're actively and willfully choosing right behavior over wrong behavior.
So by those standards, most human beings don't have conscience and they don't exercise conscience. And that's why this planet and all of its people are going into abject bondage and slavery for that very reason. That's the natural law of freedom. The law of freedom as morality increases in the aggregate, freedom increases in the aggregate. As morality declines,
The population's going deeper into bondage and slavery. So all you have to do to figure out, are we a moral people is say, which direction has humanity been headed toward more prosperity and freedom and infinite potential? Or are we getting limited more and more and more and more and more is being taken from us every day.
It's a no brainer and people don't want to acknowledge it. They're not even at the point of acknowledging. This is the problem. Politics is not the problem. Ladies and gentlemen, Morality is the problem. The lack of morality is the problem by people even believing that anybody should be
voting for a ruler or a master or even a leader. I mean, that's what Fuhrer means in German. It means leader. They operated their whole society according to what they called the Fuhrer principle. This is the leader principle that one person should act as God on earth and everybody has to obey them.
That's the whole concept of authority. If you believe in authority, you believe in slavery. If somebody is an authority over other another person or one group of people is the authority over others, that's enslavement. If you can't see that that's enslavement because it takes away your free will to choose your behavior and say,
we're going to do this violent thing to you. If you do this, if you exercise this right, we're going to or you don't want to be stolen from in this way. We're going to do violence to you or throw you in a cage. That's slavery.
In a lot of ways, I think what's been happening in the past four or five years in America and a lot of Western countries is the people have been forced to experience slavery. so much chaos that, uh, it's like, this is a, the bait is being set for this,
this new trap or just another of the old traps to get everyone to basically beg and plead for some type of totality. We need more authority. We need more government like this.
We'll fix it. Just give us unlimited power and we'll, we'll, we'll fix it and make you comfortable again. Cause that's all people want. They want to do the comfortable and safe thing, even if it's wrong. And that's they don't want to do the uncomfortable and possibly dangerous thing, even if it's the right thing to do.
Well, that's that's almost the the epitome of immorality in the in the text that we're talking about, because these are people like if you look, if you were to believe history, which I don't put my faith in history, but I'm sure there's some truth to it. You go back into history.
It seems like there was a time when people really had to be. more independent and look out for themselves and take care of themselves and, and serve to survive. Right. They were closer to nature, right? Closer to nature. Exactly. But we've been led down this, we've been taking the bait for so long that, I mean,
it's like people wouldn't know how to function. You know, it's like a story of, uh, of Katrina when people were sitting on the rooftops, just waiting for help to come, you know, people wouldn't,
I'd like to briefly – I don't want people to think that I'm just a rabid hater of people who subscribe to a religious belief. I don't want to come across as that because I can work with religionists. I can allow people to have their religious belief even though I don't really agree with the context,
the framework of that. But as long as they're truly moral, I it doesn't matter to me what someone believes. Right. People can believe in all kinds of things as long as it's not a dangerous belief system. And I can work with them and treat them with respect. So, you know,
I want to say that I'm hard on Christians often because I feel that they should be held to a higher account because I do believe that there's an esoteric side to Christianity that is about the human heart. Right. And I think that of the major world religions,
Christianity is still the highest in consciousness and it's the least fallen. Right. So like Judaism and Islam are extremely fallen religions. And I'm not even just saying that because I have a Christian background in my youth. I'm saying that because it's literally true because of some of the belief systems embedded within them.
Well, natural law is very similar. I mean, I would say like, I'm surprised that Christians have a problem with natural law, and the ones that do, I imagine, there are Christians out there who don't think that actions matter at all.
It's unbelievable.
Those are people I can't talk to.
They're lost. Yeah, they're genuinely lost because Jesus was telling people, you'll know people, you'll know the character of a person's being by the fruit of what they put forward. Yeah, I mean, it seems pretty...
It was obvious to me when I was a kid, and it's still obvious to me now. And I think anyone who believes that those are the teachings of Jesus, that's what natural law is. Natural law is basically thou shalt not steal. That's right. Other people.
That's it. That's all it is. There's only one commandment. I tell people you don't need 10. Don't steal. You want to know natural law in a nutshell. Here it is. I'm actually literally going to put it on a T-shirt. I'm in the middle of designing the shirt.
I haven't made it available yet, but I'm actually going to put this on a T-shirt. Here's what natural law is in a nutshell. Don't steal and don't kneel. That's natural law. That's it. You know, don't try to become someone else's authority by stealing things from them. And don't bow down to other authority because there's only one authority.
Don't become an animal. Right. That's it. How do how don't Christians understand some of the two most basic foundational principles? essences of the whole religion, the whole Judeo-Christian religion, right? First of all, in Genesis, in the creation epic, in the garden, right? When God says, don't eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil,
and that's the original sin, people interpret this completely wrongly, right? I like to relay this allegory a lot because it lets Christians understand Bible Christians or church Christians, right? I don't consider myself either one of those things. I consider myself an esoteric Christian, a spiritualist who is trying to really extract the essence of
the words, the new Testament words of Jesus. Okay. Because whether you believe in Jesus's historicity as a real being, or whether you only see it as an allegorical set of teachings, I don't feel that it matters because the words are what's important. Take the lessons and incorporate them into your life. Right? So in the old Testament story,
I'll do one old Testament, one new Testament in the old Testament story, right? And, The concept of don't eat the fruit of that tree is very misunderstood. Then people think it means a literal apple or another fruit. Then other people think, no, no, no, it means sex.
It means sexuality is flawed and bad somehow, and this is a warning against coming into your sexuality. It's none of these things. These are ridiculous notions. And then other people literally take it word literally and say, We shouldn't know what the difference between right and wrong is. That's for God to know.
A lot of people think it means knowledge is evil and you got to stay ignorant and stupid.
Unbelievably dumb ideas on all accounts there. Here's what it really means. And if you just really logically pay attention to this, it should make some people's heads explode in an aha moment. Okay. What the God of creation was telling to his creation in the garden is do not become the arbiters of what is right and wrong.
Instead, learn what is right and wrong. Learn the distinction between those things and you stay in the garden. Become the arbiter of them because you want to be like God who set those laws. God is the arbiter of right and wrong. God set the laws regarding right and wrong into the fabric of creation.
Once man takes it upon himself to arbitrate the difference between right and wrong, and that's all of man's laws, that's the expulsion from the garden. That's the expulsion from Eden and the fall of humanity. And it's simply a word. One word translated differently could have made all the difference in people's
minds because the word for to eat in Hebrew is is mistranslated, which it is actually to arbitrate instead of to eat. And this is because to eat means to take in to oneself. To arbitrate means to take upon oneself. See, if you gave the definition of what does it mean to arbitrate something, I'm going to arbitrate what
The difference between right and wrong is that means I'm going to take it upon myself to define it. I'm going to take it upon myself to say this is what this is and this is what that is. You're going to speak that into creation. Fiat means so let it be so because I spoke it.
And that's what jurisdiction is. Juris in Latin, J-U-S, J-U-R-I-S is the genitive form, right? It means law. And dictere means to speak. Jurisdiction means to say what the law is or to speak the law for yourself. This is the arbitration of morality. The God of creation isn't saying to Adam and Eve in the biblical allegory,
Don't eat this thing. He's saying it is saying don't arbitrate this thing. It's not for you to arbitrate. And that's all you got to stay away from doing is moral relativism. Don't try to make laws for yourself. Laws are already made for you to follow. It's called the laws of morality. It's called natural law.
It's called God's laws. We want to be God. That's the satanic mindset. What do we want to do? We want to make the laws. We're going to make jurisdiction. We're going to arbitrate what the law is. That's the original sin. That's the ultimate sin. So if Christians only understood these teachings better, they'd be better Christians.
Because they're not such good Christians. They believe in government. They love money and will take money to do immoral things, most of them. And they totally believe in the religious institutions. I don't call Christianity in the modern day Christianity. I call it Churchianity. Or what would be better is Constantinianity, because it didn't come from Jesus Christ.
Well, there's all kinds of different versions, and there's a crazy one out there that is... It's probably the scariest thing on earth, in my opinion, and it's the evangelicals who are rooting for the Gaza genocide because they think that's the only way they're going to see Jesus. It's absolute retarded insanity.
You know where their mindset comes out of? It comes out of Sabbatean Frankism, which is a complete distortion of even the fallen form of Talmudic Judaism. It's even worse than that. Yeah. It's wretched Satanism is what all of that mindset is. It's Satanism. And they believe they're righteous. They believe they're good. Yeah. Yeah. It's crazy.
So who was the hero figure, Jesus Christ, battling against throughout his life? What got Jesus in trouble initially in Galilee? He was speaking out against the religious traditions and what they believed and taught people, the Pharisees and the Sadducees, which were the major Judaic sects at the time. And he was telling people this is all nonsense.
This is all BS that they want. They want to prosper themselves and have control over the population and give you all these millions and millions of laws. When there's really only one law, love your neighbor as yourself.
Yeah.
The golden rule. How about the inversion of the golden rule? Or I should say the apophatic variant. Just don't do to other people what you don't want done to you. That'll take care of it all. You know, let's worry about how we want to treat people later. And let's worry about what we shouldn't do now.
This is how about we just stop the bad behavior. Yeah. You know, And who else was he fighting against? He was fighting against the banks and financial institutions of his day. These were the temple money changers. He went into their realm, turned over their tables, beat them with a reed, and chastised them and said,
you're taking advantage of these people for their religious faith, which is already on shaky grounds completely because of what the Pharisees and Sadducees were doing. And that was it. That got him in permanent trouble because then those two institutions, religion and the financial system of the time,
came forward to appeal to government to go in and murder him. And because that's what the people wanted, because they didn't want their worldview turned upside down. They didn't want to be told you're not really good people for following these laws because look at how you treat each other. Look at what you're willing to do for money.
Yeah. Right. He was, he was very caustic regarding that actually. And telling people, you just think you're good people. You're not really good people. You don't understand the real kingdom of God. It's within, it's not someplace you're going to. It's either you create it inside yourself or you're not there and you're living in hell.
Yeah. Yeah.
And he was telling people that and they hated it. Most hated him for it. Only a small amount really respected him and loved him. And most people hated him. And when they were given the choice who to free, a murderous, sick, psychopathic rapist, Barabbas, or Jesus, who was giving people a positive life.
very moral way of conducting their existence, it says in the New Testament, with one voice the people cried out, free Barabbas and crucify Jesus. As if it was one being they were so united and hated him so badly. They all cried together, give us Barabbas, give us the murderer, give us the rapist, give us...
The completely immoral piece of filth to walk among us and prey upon our children and put to death in a brutally vicious capacity the moral guy who's trying to teach people how they should be really living from a moral perspective. And so they went to the last institution, government. And look at modern Christians. They're all about money.
They're all about politics. They're all about government. They're all about the church. These are all the institutions Jesus was at war against. He was at war against what I call the unholy trinity, the unholy trinity of money, government, and religion. And not necessarily in that order, because the oldest of them is religion, and it's all religion.
Government's a religion, the financial institutions, and the wild love of money, the unrestrained love of money, that's a religion. You know, the belief in authority itself is the being... Sick, twisted religion and moral relativism. That's a religion. It's all part of the same religion. All of these control systems are all part of one religion.
And it's the only religion that prevails upon this planet. Satanism. That's why they don't call it that. Some lower level Satanists call it Satanist. The overarching word phrase that they use for the ideological mindset and worldview of Satanism is the old religion. Because it's the oldest religion that has ever existed on the planet.
Give me that old time religion. That's what it is. That's what it is.
The old religion. You know, it really has always been simple to me, the teaching of Jesus. The reason Jesus was a man was so that you would identify with him and see him as a reflection of how to act and how to behave. And, you know,
I just didn't realize how many people were far from that and didn't see that because it just seemed so natural to me.
It's sad and disgusting. Because, again, they should be held to the highest moral accountability because they should know better. And most Christians don't know at all what real Christianity is. I did a whole – presentation on this. It's about a six hour presentation called fake ass Christians.
And I talk about what all the fake nonsense within Christianity is versus what the true core essence of what should be a beautiful and moral philosophy really is. And I compare and contrast those two and show people how far off the mark modern day Christians are.
What do you think happens in the near future? It seems like there is a big awakening, I think, but I do not believe it's big enough to make a dent. I don't mean to be a pessimist, but it does seem to me that the overwhelming majority of the people, even those who...
consider themselves awakening are, are on board with government and the herd. And, uh, and it looks like we're being, you know, herded into, uh, we're being tricked again. Once again, we're being tricked and we're falling for it. And I can't say exactly where we're going, but I, I'm, I'm, I'm not expecting it to be anywhere good.
So, um, you know, like there is like the free will, you know, but, um, And in my life, I have experienced, based on my life and my decisions and my free will, I do get, I believe, a fortunate return in life. I have experienced, I believe, grace as a result of, I'm not saying I'm perfect,
but that seems to be a reality in my life. But we're moving into a dangerous area now where it's like, do you see... Like I, for example, I live about 10 minutes from the Amish right now. And, uh, I, I often think about like,
they've worked so hard to stay out of the system and to just do their own thing. And, uh, it looks like even they are going to be encroached upon by this thing that's festering and growing into some monster.
So, um, karma as it is enacted on the earth affects everyone and everyone operates in the physical domain. Beyond this life, I believe the karmic consequence and debt continues. And there, it is timeless and affects people on the individual level, affects consciousness at the monad level, the individuation of consciousness.
So people think that there's going to be all different realities for different people. And I firmly reject this notion. There is no bifurcation. Everyone will experience the same collective fate on this planet. What karmic destiny they go on to after life will be individual on an individual basis. But here, it's collective. Karma is collective on planet Earth.
And it operates in ways that are individual as well at a lower level over shorter time frames. But... cosmic karma on the big scale for humanity operates upon us all over long periods of time. That, that being said, where I see things going is in a, and again, um, Greg, you said not to be negative.
We're not trying to be negative. I endeavor to be honest. Sure. I'm a realist. I'm not a optimist nor a pessimist. I am not black pilled. I tell people, You got to not choose the black pill. You got to choose the gold pill. You got to be gold pilled. And I'm coining another term.
Someone on social media, I heard them say, OK, they actually coined it. I'm going to use it. Get passio-pilled, okay? So I've been trying to explain to people how this works for so many years. Understand it from a worldview perspective, and you'll be passio-pilled, which will actually make you gold-pilled, okay?
The red pill has to come first because that's just basic knowledge of the control system. But if you don't understand the spiritual reality behind all of this, if you don't understand real morality doesn't come from a system of institutional bodies that are ultimately designed to control all life on this planet.
If you're still relying on politics to tell you what's right or wrong or to save you from the fate that humanity is going to go down if we don't turn things around, you don't understand what needs to be done. This is not about voting for the right person.
This is about getting your mind right when it comes to morality and then teaching that to as many other people as you possibly can. Where is the failure? Right. Is it we need a new religion? No, we already have thousands of religion and they're all nonsense. And none of them change the world for the better.
Do you know what we really need? We need real parenting. We need true conscious parenting that are going to raise their children with correct morality in the world. And no one wants to step up and take responsibility for screwing the world up by saying, I've been a horrible parent.
I didn't teach my children the difference between right and wrong. And now there's somebody that believes they can rule others where they can control other people's behavior. We need to be good parents and then teachers for others. In addition to our own children, we need to teach other people and their children.
We need to be real educators of true morality in the world. That's the only solution. Because if you don't understand the dynamic that generates freedom or destroys it, And you're still just wandering blind in the world and thinking politics is some dynamic that's going to affect freedom. Religion is some dynamic that's going to affect freedom.
Money is some dynamic that's going to affect freedom. None of those dynamics can ever affect freedom. There's only one dynamic that ever affects freedom. The knowledge of true morality and the alignment of individuals behavior to those objective laws. Nothing else can ever generate freedom. I've given you that is what I just said. There is.
The secret of every secret occult secret society that has ever existed upon the earth. That's the secret that they don't want people to know. The dark ones that want to hold that knowledge back. They want to remove the knowledge of how freedom is generated or destroyed. That's the law of freedom under natural law.
And how many people can answer that question correctly? If you go into the political movement, if you go into just about any big podcasters audience, if you go into any religious church and you say, what is the dynamic that affects human freedom? They're not going to tell you morality.
They'll tell you money or government or politics or religion or whatever. It's all and only ever has been are the people who, Truly knowledgeable of the difference between right and wrong, and are they exercising their free will to align their behavior to what is right? And that's why Jesus said his only prescription in the whole New Testament,
in his words, for when the apostles asked him, We know we're enslaved. We know we're enslaved by the Roman Empire. What do we have to do to not be slaves anymore? His only prescription. He didn't say, go start a new religion. He didn't say, go become prosperous, worldly, and get rich. He didn't say any of those things.
He said, know the truth. What knowledge was Jesus referring to as know the truth? That means don't believe anything. That means don't worship anything. It means know something. Have the knowledge of one thing and one thing only, the objective difference between right behavior and wrong behavior. And you know what?
People will hear everything that I've said regarding this today, and they'll just dismiss it out of hand. When I've given people the master key, and that's not just me. Many, many, many other people have taught this throughout all of human history, and they've all been rejected completely. Because humanity wants to be God. They know better. They,
with all of their complete ignorance and lack of knowledge and lack of the understanding of anything that was said or has been said throughout all of human history, they'll just say, I'm right when they're unstudied in all of it. They haven't looked into it one iota.
They just say, my priest told me this and that's good enough for me. And then in the next breath, they'll proclaim, I'm a moral and good human being. absolutely nonsense. Yeah. And you can disagree. People can disagree with that all they want from now until the end of time. And it'll still be true.
Well, we're not here to be pets or to be someone's slave and submit to someone else. I mean, that seems clear to me. And so if you accept that, then you're, you know, you're, you're, you're refusing to, your soul. You're refusing. That's right. Your response, your main responsibility or Mark for people who want to dig deeper,
who want to check out more of your work. Do you have any recommendations to go to what on earth is happening.com or absolutely.
And you know, one of the things I hear Greg is that my time is so limited. It would take me years and I wouldn't be able to hold down a job to do all of this research. I just want to let people know, I did all of that, and I put it into condensed form.
It's like the abridged cliff notes. And yet, if you really want to know it super, super well, you've got to do the research on your own. You can't take shortcuts. However, my website acts as a repository of this type of information, and it is great. I just want to warn people,
it starts out fairly gentle in the podcast series and then it gets extremely hard hitting like a hammer because that's for the people who haven't gotten up off their rear end and gotten motivated and done something. This is about taking action. It's about taking action in the world. It's not just about knowing something.
That's only the first step. Then you got to take action in the real world and you got to teach others. So my website, whatonearthishappening.com, I recommend going to the podcast section and going through the podcasts in order without skipping around. That means start at number one, then proceed to number two, proceed to number three, and so forth.
until you go through all of them in order at your own pace. You could take it fast. You could take it slow. Take it at your own pace. I give ancillary reading materials and viewing materials and images along the way with the podcast. Okay. It eventually becomes a video podcast. It started out as audio.
Then it becomes video in the, um, close to the two hundreds around one 97, I think starts the video section. And, um, There's tons and tons of full length presentations up there, you know, where I present all of my years of research and firsthand experiences.
So everything you need to truly unlock yourself from a spiritual perspective and go on a spiritual journey to real enlightenment is all there at that one website. It's a clearinghouse for all of that. What on earth is happening dot com.
Well, I recommend it. And Mark, I'm glad you took the time to talk. It was always a pleasure. I hope to see you in Philly for one of those meetups sometime soon. I keep meaning to go to and let's keep in touch.
Absolutely, Greg. Thank you so much. I so highly respect your work. and what you have been doing through Band.Video. And I just want to say thank you. Great questions for the interview. And keep up the great work that you're doing as well. And thank you for this opportunity.
Yeah, thank you. All right, see you guys next week.
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